Hi Lee,
I've been keeping up with Barbara, Joe and Joy as they make their way to and fro across the country. So glad you got to enjoy their company! Aren't they great folks?
Marvin Shilmer
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Great Evening....
by Lee Elder in...with dick and helen kelly.
got to meet joe and barbara anderson and their friend joy on their whirlwind u.s. tour.
wonderful conversation and opportunity to reminisce about our wts experiences and our plans for the future.
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Camping and Watchtower
by JWdaughter incampings org releases their financials.
camping humbly apologized for making predictions and gave it up declaring that he was searching scriptures to be more faithful.. anyway, he had a lot in common with wt belief that all other churches are apostate.
i think the ministry is really struggling.
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Marvin Shilmer
Oh bugger; I didn't know the WTS actually had the audacity to wag their finger at the poor guy...
Yes. They did.
Today that audacity inspired me to be a little creative.
These two special entities (Family Ministries, Inc. and Watchtower, Inc.) deserve a side by side comparison!
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If there is anything to bible prophecy, keep an eye out on Israel
by EndofMysteries inwhat will be the end game whether in a few years, our lifetime, or hundreds + years from now.
bible prophecy did say israel / jews would be scattered then eventually brought back.
russell was declaring that and it was believed before being changed shortly before it happened.
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Marvin Shilmer
Bible prophecy did say Israel / jews would be scattered then eventually brought back. ...
When the yellow dwarf of our solar system becomes a red giant everything on planet earth will be toast.
So do we really want to speculate about meaning attributed to a best seller?
That path ends up looking THIS RIDICULOUS...
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Camping and Watchtower
by JWdaughter incampings org releases their financials.
camping humbly apologized for making predictions and gave it up declaring that he was searching scriptures to be more faithful.. anyway, he had a lot in common with wt belief that all other churches are apostate.
i think the ministry is really struggling.
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OF DOGS AND BITES AND BIKES AND THINGS
by Terry inthe thought suddenly struck me plain and obvious: "these dogs won't stop until i'm good and bloody.".
there were two of them; a mixed breed of boxer and pit bull; clean, white--collared, tagged and--for some inexplicable reason, ferociously intent on tearing me to shreds!.
ah, but i'm getting ahead of myself.
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Marvin Shilmer
I must ride a bit faster then you, Terry. I had two come after me just today on a long ride. I sped up and kicked the shit out of the first one that got close enough for me to pile drive with my cleats. He left bloody and whining like a puppy.
Seriously though, I'm glad you're okay and glad that you reported the incident to authorities. Terry's life matters!
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Advance Directives and the JW Patient
by Lee Elder inadvance directives are complex legal instruments and widely misunderstood by both physicians and their patients.
with most jehovah's witnesses their is a significant level of misinformation, and in many cases coercion or undue influence exerted on the patient.
physicians need to be aware of this and always meet privately with the patient to educate them and then ascertain their true wishes.
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Marvin Shilmer
Doctors are right to be concerned when an unconscious JW comes into the ER with a advance directive. Speaking with JW family members is seldom helpful.
Indeed!
In addition there is the problem of hopelessly incomplete Watchtower documents which do not address some rather important "fractions" that are accepted under its ridiculous blood taboo. One important component that JWs are free to accept is called cryo-poor plasma (also known as cryosupernatant). Nowhere does Watchtower speak to this blood product though it knows it has saved the life of many a JW.
For readers who want to know more about this subject see: Over 96% Accept 99%!
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Introducing...ME
by Heartsafire inlong time lurker here.
i'm a fifth gen born-in baptized jw.
to say i've been struggling with doubts is an understatement.
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Marvin Shilmer
Hi Heartsafire,
As you recognize, you're not alone in your circumstance, findings and feelings. You'll find lots of kindred here.
Check your PM account.
Best regards,
Marvin Shilmer
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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Marvin Shilmer
When it comes to shunning and potential statutory remedies to lessen harm there are two areas to concentrate on.
1. The distinction of personal preference to shun versus organized communal shunning.
2. Whether a particular shunning presents undue influence over something with a State interest.
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Do they notice who no longer gives donations?
by onightdivine inbecause i haven't put in a single dime for over a year now in the box at the kh.
the usual custom is to put money in there right after the meetings.
but heck, i already spend so much in car fuel just to attend - i don't care really if the gb starves and dies.. oops.. anyway, do the elders take note who's donating and who's not?.
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Marvin Shilmer
Neither local elders nor the Watchtower Society has a process to determine whether particular individuals donate or not.
On the other hand local elders and the Watchtower Society does have a process in place to determine whether a particular congregation is donating or not by comparison with other congregations in the area or elsewhere. This is a statistic that is watched very closely inside Watchtower as an early warning of something going awry. Watchtower crunches these numbers every way you can imagine for a range of reasons including 1) whether something's going wrong with a congregation, a circuit, a circuit overseer, an internal Branch attendant charged with overseeing a particular geographical area, and 2) projecting future cash flows.
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Ways to raise an eyebrow or two with bro/sis perfect!
by Truthexplorer injusmy wife and i were out in the ministry today and she was expressing her annoyance at brother perfectionist in our hall and how he is beginning to annoy her as nit picks over everything that the more liberal witnesses view as ok. so we were having some fun about what we could say to him that would really raise his eye brows.
she then suggested i say ' hey brother perfect, you'll never guess what happened to me.
i was sitting on the toilet when to my shock and horror, there was no toilet paper left.
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Marvin Shilmer
There was a watchtower lying on the unit next to me that I was able to use.
I've actually seen this in the outhouse of a now deceased JW who was so stalwart as a JW that he served time in jail for breaking blue laws back in the 50s for door-to-door preaching (which at the time and locale was deemed a commercial activity). He had a whole stack of them, and it was the good stuff (like the index pages from the old Sears and Roebuck catalog, the ole-timers know what I mean)!